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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 1/9/2004 11:00:42 PM   
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good que.

Cris is one of the original offshores and they have one of the biggest operations in the world. Their agent business (local bookies calling in their action) is the worlds largest. Varios estimates put their yearly handle at $600-800mil.

Their origins stem from a nation wide booking operation, and they used to make the opening line. Not a lot of small players use them, but the larger ones sure do.

I don't use them for ethical reasons, but we can't deny their influence and safety.

Hollywood and grande are the other costa rica books out in front of the pack.

Blanketing costa rica as a bad spot is not completely accurate, just like blanketing england as a good one isn't either.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 1/14/2004 7:56:16 AM   
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Some great information in this thread! Don't know who you are, Edge, but you definitely have some great info on offshore books. Any thoughts on Bet All Sports?

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 2/14/2004 3:24:30 PM   
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Has to be SBGGLOBAL.COM

they have the e-zest withdrawl methods and are one of the biggest sportsbooks online! you even get an ATM card and when u win you can go to an atm....and no its not one of them cheap pre paid atm cards its an sbg atm card which actually works as a debit card as well!

my vote goes to SBG

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 2/28/2004 4:12:05 PM   
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Closing out the season with final comments.

VIP group is not strong financially, have seen recent info they are much weaker than previously given credit for. I'm removing them from the list and that includes gameday/fivecardcharlies/wallstreetsuperbook/bet19/betongames. This group also engages in serious antibettor policies which make it very difficult to win there.


Post above mine about sbgglobal, reports of stealing from players accounts.Stay away.
Some posts on the board about Royal/lay107/gamblersave (same owners) continue in slow pay mode and many reports of problems. Steer clear!!! They need some time to straighten themselves out.


Took a lot of sh*t early in this thread about sportingbet, they are alive and well, just reported quarterly financials, did over $1.6 billion in handle last year, stock has gone from 30 pence to 80 pence last 6 months. VEry healthy company, paid off $17mil in debt last fall. I wouldn't play in their casino though.
SIA, still alive and well, closed out my account for the season and was paid right off, also received several no hassle payouts through the season.
Canbet has been reporting losses and have lost some top guys in their company. I'd pull out of this book til next fall, the next 6 months are going to be tough on them. Still almost zero chance of stiffing players even if they don't make it, they keep customer cash segregated.
Carib got pulled off my list a few months ago, and this past week had their accounts frozen in Belize. US gov't continues to hound them. Players still getting paid through today.
Allworld, who got pulled from my list, wound up getting bought out by Hollywood (almost on the list).
WWTS, one of the top books on the list has been reporting top profits and paid off a big pile of debt this fall. VERY STRONG. They also hired the top book maker from CRIS, so should be offering more variety. Lots of promotions with this company but some confusion, make sure you get your promo nailed down before sending cash.
The other guys on the list continue to service bettors the best in the industry and one final important note. There is great value with these companies in their customer lists. The price of customer acquisition has skyrocketed, and as we saw with betworks and Allworld, in the unlikely event these books should experience trouble they will be bought out and your funds will remain safe.
A company like sia, wagerstreet, or sos market to a unique group of bettors which make their shops very valuable and brings an added safety net to bettors.
Hope you guys used these shops and kept your money safe. This group will be around for many falls to come.


Not a stiff in the group.

P.S. Early in this thread I had to put up with joewager, sportsbookreview has now owned up to owning joewager, which was started by VIP group, who have had a hard on for sia nad sportingbet for years. This is a great example what honest real bettors have to sift through for the unbiased information.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 2/28/2004 10:28:07 PM   
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Edge-
Why wouldn't you play in Sportsbook's casino?


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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 2/29/2004 8:08:36 PM   
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Any guy who has "I love the corruption" as his tagline can figure out the answer.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 3/1/2004 7:52:54 AM   
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I just like hearing stories about "random" number generators.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 4/13/2004 8:16:49 PM   
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BETWWTS praise.

Take the praise away. I won 11k over the last week and they refuse to pay. I can't get a reply anymore from them. Firepay screws up and the player gets screwed.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 4/14/2004 5:35:18 PM   
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Just throwing my 2 cents of experience in. Have used Bowmans, Canbet, Olympic, Pinnacle and Gameday. Have collected from all but Pinnacle. Found Pinnacle customer service rude and hard to understand on several occasions. Olympic shorted me on refunds back to my credit card, but I like the variety of their wagering choices and props. Gameday, Bowmans and Canbet paid promptly with no hassles. Bowmans is my top choice followed closely by Canbet because of the friendly customer service and rapid payouts at both. No problems with Gameday, they paid, but for some reason just don't trust them. Reccomend Bowmans and Canbet.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 6/1/2004 5:27:27 PM   
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I have used several books and have had a ton of problems. A buddy got me to try his book, and I have had great luck so far. No problem cashing out.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 6/1/2004 5:29:24 PM   
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BTW- Betmaker.com is the book I was referred to. A lot of other friends use it too and have nothing but good things to say about it.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 6/2/2004 7:47:51 PM   
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Anyone who plays at betmaker is begging for their money to be taken from them. The worlds most nefarious advertisors will do anything to get your buck, they hire shills, they hire referrers, they'll hire anyone to get your buck.

There is nothing they won't do, except give you a fair shake on odds, and pay you if you're a winner.

They hate winners, they'll lower your limits, make you call in your bets, change the line after you've entered a bet, and if you speak out about it they will close your account.

Just a month ago they refused to payout on a big horse race winner, claiming it was a fix. The race was so straight every other book paid on it.

What did Jake the snake do? he went on vacation so he didn't have to hear from bettors.

So, sportbet offshore trash, this thread is not for you. Ask yourself, do you really want to open this can of whupass?

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 6/17/2004 12:35:29 PM   
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I don't know who to trust. It seems like so many people on this board are paid to promote certain sportbooks and bash others. I mean, look at who sponsors this board... I am only trying to give my honest experience. Thats it.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 9/4/2004 9:57:52 PM   
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IN the internet time frame of what happened five minutes ago, it's worth continuing this thread for some sportsbook continuity. Longevity is important.

Here's the original list with updates. Pleased to say all is well one year later:

Aussie

WWTS- Billy Scott,. the original founder has just stepped back in take over the company.

Betworks

centrebet

canbet- just bought out by a strong aussie company.

England has the second best regulation, and is home to some of the oldest books.


Tops:

Bowmans

bet365

sportingbet group. A huge number of books under this umbrella including sportsbook.com, players only, sportingbetusa.com

Will Hill- no us sports

Other offshores with the best track records:


Intertops

world sports exchange

olympic

grande

pinnacle

Allworld- bought out by Hollywood, a book just missing the list.

Cris

Books on the almost list last year that are moving up to the safe list:

mvpsportsbook/v-wager. see above commments.


cascade- bought out this offseason by a strong credit shop.

betgameday- lousy software and dual betting lines are somewhat compensated by their fast pay and player perks. Make sure you copy all wagers.

wagerstreet

sportsinteraction

Sports Off Shore


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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 11/16/2004 12:21:49 PM   
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Edge,

I wanted to add that although SIA has problems with line availabilty it is a very reputable betting book as far as payouts and customer service. I recently used their live chat feature and found it to be nice. As I have become a more seasoned capper I know I need to switch books or diversify my bankroll but I will always keep SIA around. Plus the fact that I really enjoy their layout. I have never not once had any problem with payout. Every single time it was there when it was supposed to be. Common requests by me were resolved within 48 hours through e-mail. A lot of bashers here and yes they have some downfalls but I know many reputable cappers on this board who have $$$$ held within SIA and that too me says a lot.

Just my 2 cents.

Any thoughts on a few new sportsbooks for CBB season?

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 12/8/2006 11:43:37 PM   
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Yo edge, with the new US laws making it illegal to fund a gaming acct through US checking acct or credit card, what books are going to be here to stay???

I know that Bet365 has cut off all of their US customers, and some other offshore outs have done the same. Being from the US, which sportsbooks can I now safely use without worry that my funds will be confiscated after the 270 day leighway with the new US laws? Thanks...

BettinMan

p.s. If you find the time, could you maybe update the list? Thanks again!


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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 2/7/2007 5:42:53 PM   
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Hello Bettinman-

How goes it?

Man is this thread a blast from the past, thought it was long gone.  Kind of sad seeing it, as we sort through the rubble of our great offshore betting industry, all those bigger than life names gone, but at least not one of my listed books stiffed any bettors on the way out. That entire list stood up for years.

Needless to say, the next few months are the most dangerous for bettors since this whole industry started in 1995. SO BEWARE!!

Regarding the recent legislation, there are actually no provisions affecting bettors directly, so if you can get your money to a book, or receive winnings, you are safe, there will be no foreiture. As always though, pay taxes on your winnings, now more than ever. The legislation encompassed making it tougher to transfer funds.

So where to put your money, and how do you get it there and back?

First the how:

Wire transfers are out, as are all payment processors like neteller or firepay. but Western Union or moneygram is still available and books will cover fees. You can also send check or money order. Although this is slower, its the best method, the paper trail through WU is worrysome for larger transfers.

Request payouts the same way, preferred method is fedex check over WU for same reasons as above.

Books will be coming up with better methods as the months go by, including more book to book transfers. The best thing to do is send off a big chunk of money to one book which does transfers, then transfer some around. This will become commonplace.

So where to play at if you live in the US police state?

Its a very short list right now, with the tops in Antigua. This small country is currently fighting the US and winning in the World Trade Organization over interent betting. They've stood up and won so will not be exiting the market or laying down like England our colony bitch did. Further, the US is going to have to lay off them because of their international support (whereas a country like Costa Rica is a prime target for the feds) They have decent regulation there, and always been a home for reputable books. More books will move there.

1)WSEX/matchbook- they've already been under indictment for years, and thumbed their nose at the US. ONe owner fought the charges and his case is very famous. Google Jay Cohen. This book is the safest one to play at, being located in Antigua. They started a betting exchange called matchbook which offers some reduced juice for those missing pinnacle.

2) Olympic/betjamaica/wagerstreet. Since making my original posts, wagerstreet was bought out by thegreek.com (olympic), and he started the book betjamaica. The owner of olympic will never stiff his players. Just won't happen. But there is a concern over his location in Jamaica being pressured.

3) Carib/sportsoffshore.  NO LONGER ACCEPTING US CUSTOMERS

4) Tradesports. They're a betting exchange located in Ireland, a somewhat up and comer who's been around for several years building liquidity. I've played there about 4 years now. Fun place to play at, tough to place bets for anything over $500 depending on the market. But they are 'safe', the owner recently told the US to fu%k off. Good place to get some reduced juice.

5) Sportsbook.com. Spun off from sportingbet after the legislation, and sold back to its original owner for $1. The owner is absolutely loaded after a meteoric rise in the offshore, and he cashed out of sportingbet stock last year at its apex. The guy is worth close to $1bill, all made in offshore gaming.

5) Cris. If the feds get dirtier, even dirtier than they are now, Cris will be high on their list to go after. Located in Costa Rica, and tied to organized crime, with the owner having already done time for the crime, the feds would like to put these guys out of business. But they are fighting some tough hombres. These guys barely squeek in on the list right now.

Not on the list:

Vip/gameday/nine. this family went public last year, then got spun off much like sportingbet spun off sportsbook. But big difference. the owner Allistar Asheton, never cashed out his stock, and its now nearly worthless. While sportsbook.com is loaded, this family is headed for some tough sledding, and there have been payment issues recently.

Bodog/wwts/bowmans. Thought I'd never see those 2 top books associated with Bodog trash. They were bought for $1 after last fall's meltdown. Bodog moved to Antigua, which is good, but they still have an owner with no integrity who has really pissed off the feds, which is bad. If his book goes south, so will your money.

SIA. I cashed out of there a month ago, got paid fast, right before neteller stopped paying. Because of this book's attitude toward bettors in the past, they are on my list of potential chew and screw types like Bodog. If they are around next fall I might consider them again.

Intertops. They are safe, but they have changed the bookmaking policies there the last couple years, raising their juice through the roof. Impossible to overcome their gouging so can't be recommended.

Grande- Proceed with caution. This clearinghouse must be suffering a great loss in volume.

Take care all. Play safe.



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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 2/7/2007 9:19:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: edge


So where to play at if you live in the US police state?

3) Carib/sportsoffshore. Since the original posts, carib bought out sos. They are located in Antigua. Carib hovered on and off the original list, and things haven't changed much, the fact they are now solidly on this list indicates how far our safe list has fallen.





SOS/Carib isn't taking any US customers.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 2/7/2007 9:33:12 PM   
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That is correct, a couple weeks ago carib shut out the US.

I've edited my post to reflect it.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 2/8/2007 3:44:15 PM   
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Hi Mo,

Thanks for the update. What a mess we are faced with as sportsgamblers. I really don't feel like going back to a local.


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