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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 10/1/2003 8:50:54 AM   
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Hey Pal (edge) …


<< What a fuckin idiot!!! >>


If you want any credibility at all, you’ll need to do a few things.

First, stop with the vulgar name calling … that’s the stuff of immature juvenile punks.

Secondly, if you post your opinions on a public forum (such as you’ve done here with your “Best Offshore Books” list), you may need to have the maturity to be able to weather some criticism and dissenting opinions without resorting to child-like name calling. And trust me, there will always be dissenting opinions on books like those under the SportingBet umbrella. Far too many complaints against those shops for them to qualify as a “best” anything.

Finally, anyone that refers to SportsInteraction as “very solid” may want to rethink their self-proclaimed position as a sportsbook “expert”. I wouldn’t recommend SIA to my worst enemy, considering the sheer volume of complaints in regards to bad lines, slow pay, etc..

Just my two cents.
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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 8/6/2003 6:02:58 PM   
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All SportingBet Sites (www.sportsbook.com, www.sportingbet.com, www.sportingbetusa.com): It's gotta be safe to bet in the UK, right? No. Sportingbet has been on the decline for over a year, and is barely remaining above water. They openly state their company is publicly traded, but fail to mention it is a PENNY STOCK. A recent buyout attempt fell apart, leaving the company in constant danger of bankruptcy. Complaints are high, especially from players with decent sums of cash in their accounts

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 8/6/2003 9:01:09 PM   
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Well, I knew this would happen, a fool with a gripe would take a shot at the list.

Sportsbook continues to grow at a rapid pace, over $600mil in handle last year. They are part of sportingbet and sbt owed them substantial monies from buying them out a couple years ago. Sportsbook grew so fast they achieved all the incentives of the buyout in 2 years not 7, as stated in the agreement, so sbt owed them over $50 mil extra..

The potential payments sbt would have to make to sportsbook were crippling the company, until a month ago when the two companies settled to give sportsbook a bigger portion of sbt, not to exceed 43% of stock, and sportsbook agreed to extend the payments for monies it was owed.

rufus, you don't have a clue, so instead of ruining an important thread for bettors, please take your claims into another thread.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 11/16/2003 11:48:44 PM   
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Blue Marlin, a well recommended midsize book just announced they can't pay players.

This is turning out to be a terrible year for the books, and there are rumours swirling about other books.

I'm editing the safe book list right now. Here's the list of top safe books:

WWTS

centrebet

canbet

Bowmans

bet365

sportingbet group. includes sportsbook.com, players only, sportingbetusa.com

Will Hill- no us sports

Intertops

world sports exchange

olympic

grande

pinnacle

Cris

wagerstreet- keep balances limited here

sportsinteraction-keep balances limited here

Sports Off Shore- keep balances limited here


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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 11/17/2003 8:15:28 AM   
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how about your thoughts on Diamond Sportsbook international...DSI..Thanks

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 11/17/2003 9:12:38 AM   
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why do you say do not use direct transfers from checking accounts?

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 10/4/2003 12:44:23 PM   
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No suprise a couple scum bag shills and touts would show up in this thread.

Serve thyself gutter dwellers, anything to get your name out there.

Funniest part about this jerkoff is he's acting the highroad all the while he's slithering around trying to sucker a few squares. And acting like he's been threatened to boot, total joke.

Get outta the thread shill then the problem's over.


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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 11/18/2003 4:16:48 PM   
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Hi Joe.

Heritage is as close as a book can get to being on the list without being on it. Last year they kicked out their sharp action, and those guys retaliated by spreading a rumour that Heritage was going down. It caused a major and I mean major run on the bank.

But they survived and not one slow pay was reported. This is about as solid a test a book can have. But they must have lost some customers along the way, and right now there appears to be some kind of massive customer dilution going on, very scarey, so I'm staying away from any books who might have depleted customer bases.

How bad is the customer situation? Much worse than people realize.

When Gambler Ave went down they had about 150 active customers, Blue Marlin, less than 200, Betworks, less than 200.

The smallest books on my list right now count there customers in the thousands, tens of thousands, and even in the hundreds of thousands in the case of sportingbet and will hill.

The 3 books I have marked for limited balances are 3 smaller books, and that is why they are marked. Their business models look pretty solid.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 11/17/2003 10:59:15 AM   
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Snake- they're not on the list, why bother with a company which has undergone major upheavel over the last year?

Please don't bother trying to tell readers how great they are in this thread because I will destroy them with the truth. You are welcome to start other threads backing them, but this thread is only for the safest books.

Hap- A very good question, because this is becoming popular stuff in a couple books, particulary the scammer Bodog. You give them the keys to your checking account, if and when they go under and steal your post up do you think they will stop there?

Using a separate account set up specifically for this purpose is the next best thing, but I caution giving any banking info away. Do you realize the complexity of the stock scams Cole Turner, owner of Bodog did for the 10 years before he became a bookie. did you know he set up ebanx, that processing system himself, and although he claims its 3rd party, he still owns it.

Do you want to give a guy like that banking info?

Btw, sportsinteraction is claiming swiftpay is 3rd party as well, but its not, they started it, copped the logo from western union to give it credibility, and its run in house.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 11/17/2003 1:55:55 PM   
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what makes you think im going to reply with a pro dsi thread or comment?just asking a simple honest question....thats where i decided to play this year and wanted to know your thoughts....if you dont want to tell me on here give me a private because i want to know what you mean with this statement... Snake- they're not on the list, why bother with a company which has undergone major upheavel over the last year?

Now if you started this thread to help us then i dont know why my question was so out of order...Thanks

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 11/17/2003 2:05:53 PM   
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Edge...just FYI regarding Sports Offshore: I've constantly had balances over $10,000 with them and occasionally above $20,000. (rarely on this last) but I've never had even one second of problems when requesting a payout as I do at the end of each football season. (By the way not saying I always "WIN" that much even though I do ocasionally have a nice week.) Point is that I've requested payouts through PrePaid ATM and Neteller, both, and had the money in minutes in every case. Personally, it's probably wise never to let huge balances sit for too long anywhere but with SOS I think it's probably safe. At least it has been for me to this point. They're doing well enough that they're giving away between $4,000.00 and $5,000.00 a month with their free-to-play casino tournaments. Their customer service is (in my opinion) second to none and I've used SIA, WSEX, and WWTS. I also DO like WSEX, though. Never a problem for me there, either.
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Just thought you might appreciate some additional feedback since I saw the note about limiting balances with SOS. I know they're not that big but they do a decent handle I think.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 11/17/2003 2:28:49 PM   
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Mo,

Are you sure that Las Palmas is owned by the same people that have MVP. The site and software at LP is different from V-Wager, Players Superbook and MVP. Just had never heard this before.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 11/17/2003 3:19:34 PM   
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Just want to say, I'm not attacking any books, just offering the safest list I know of at a bad time for bettors. Lots of good books not on the list, but they all have reasons not to be on it.

Snake,

No problem. DSI had a major split in their company and lost some of their guys who started apex, which has slow pay complaints (no reflction on DSI). They are located in costa rica, a black mark as well. It looks to me like they lost some of their customer base.

There have been some other issues which off the top of my head can't remember, but left me with the stay away for the moment conclusion. IN their favor they have been around for quite a while, but so was Blue Marlin.

Lisa-

SOS has been in business for many years, but they are a smaller book. I like their model, no bonuses, very low marketing costs, thats why they are on the list. But they do deal some opinionated lines which makes them vulnerable.

There are 2 things you said which I don't think have bearing:

1) They paid. So do all the books until the last check goes out the door. And Blue Marlin had some of the best customer service out there.

2) Generous giveaway program. I consider that a black mark. Books giving away money is not a good thing. The books on safe list actually give away less than most other books, occasional bonuses and reduced juice, but have constructed a longterm business model which is profitable, and that is what makes them safe.

In the SOS situation, I think their giveaways are less of a concern because of their low marketing costs, which they use on customer retention instead.

Rebel Yell, I could be wrong, but from a few sources heard they were part of the v-wager group. You're right though, the software is different. I still think the v-wager group is solid but they gave away a ton in bonuses at the beginning of the season (they do that yearly), and their offerings are so vanilla most of those signups probably split. They also have huge marketing costs, and since its been a fairly poor season for the books just a time for caution.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 11/17/2003 3:53:02 PM   
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Reb-

Thanks for the correction. Las Palmas is part of the horizon20 group, not v-wager group. Here's the other horizon20 books:

eHorse.com, BetLasPalmas.com, WitEuro.com, Autobet.us and Pokertropolis.com.

They also had Whatever It Takes, but they folded that and paid the players. Now they have WITeuro, but they stopped playing US sports, once again payed all players. ehorse gets good reviews, as does las palmas, except for continued complaints about their software.

I don't currently play there, a costa rican book

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 11/17/2003 4:07:35 PM   
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thanks edge.... any info is great to know

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 11/18/2003 12:51:43 AM   
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I concur that WWTS and Pinnacle are reliable. I've also used Heritage less often, but also with no complaints. What info do you have on them, if any?

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 12/27/2003 6:04:38 PM   
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What is your opinion of BETMILL? Millenium sportsbook. ???? Thanks.

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 12/31/2003 11:24:19 AM   
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Scott, I can tell you that I have used Millenium for about 5-6 years now and have never had any problems.I know they are in Costa Rica which is not on the preferred country list,but like I said, I have never had a problem with them and I've used 10-12 books during that time.

David

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 1/1/2004 3:02:47 PM   
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see page one.

Mill has big problems paying winners, and a host of tricks to mess with bettors.

why play at a lousy joint when you can play at much better?

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RE: The best offshore books without a doubt - 1/9/2004 10:11:49 AM   
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With all of the negative publicity about Costa Rica, why does CRIS get such high marks?

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